In this episode, Melina Acevedo, Carolina Ramos, and Cristina Garcia, from Latinxs in Sustainability, share their professional journeys working in clean energy. We discuss overcoming professional challenges, the importance of Latinx representation in environmental fields, and the role of mentorship in cultivating diversity. Latinxs in Sustainability is a non-profit building community and offering programs that support Latinx climate professionals and further diversity, representation, and environmental justice in the sustainability and energy workforce.
In this episode, Melina Acevedo, Carolina Ramos, and Cristina Garcia, from Latinxs in Sustainability, share their professional journeys working in clean energy. We discuss overcoming professional challenges, the importance of Latinx representation in environmental fields, and the role of mentorship in cultivating diversity. Latinxs in Sustainability is a non-profit building community and offering programs that support Latinx climate professionals and further diversity, representation, and environmental justice in the sustainability and energy workforce.
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Resources:
Latino Climate Justice Framework
References:
Why climate change matters to Latinos
Latinos and Global Warming's Six Americas - Yale Program on Climate Change Communication
Climate Change in the Latino Mind
Which racial/ethnic groups care most about climate change?
Credits
Hosted and produced by Kiana Michaan
Edited and co-produced by Lucy Little
Cristina Garcia: [00:00:00] But we see a lot of these same communities dealing with energy burden, rent burden, and a lot of other Inequities associated with a lack of environmental justice. And so when they are not represented in the rooms and in the organizations that are helping create solutions and making decisions about environmental justice and how to address these inequities, then I think that it's a real disservice.
Like, we need people that are living these experiences to be in the rooms that are designing solutions to those experiences.
Kiana Michaan: Hello, and welcome to Climate with Kiana, a podcast that explores topics of climate, energy, and sustainability through a framework of joy and justice. I'm your host, Kiana Michaan, a climate justice and clean energy advocate. This show brings you conversations with passionate people working in climate, [00:01:00] and together we explore the many exciting and intersectional solutions to one of the greatest challenges of our time.
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Hello and welcome back to Climate with Kiana. In today's episode, we are going to talk about constellating professional community In the field of sustainability and clean energy, I spoke with several members of the team at Latinxs in Sustainability or LIS, an organization committed to addressing and reducing the barriers that have led STEM fields, environmental and climate work to be among the least ethnically and racially diverse across all disciplines.[00:02:00]
LIS works to facilitate pathways for underrepresented and under resourced Latinx communities in an effort to diversify the sustainability workforce. A study from the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication showed that overall, compared to non Latinx, Latinx Americans are more engaged with the issue of global warming, with Spanish language being the most engaged group.
The Latinx population in the U. S. is often on the front lines of climate change and are overrepresented in outdoor occupations, where workers are more vulnerable to the impacts of climate change. Why is community building crucial for advancing access and diversity in the sustainability and clean energy fields?
Why is mentorship so important for minorities entering the environmental and climate workforce? How can we increase diversity and opportunities? I reached out to Carolina Ramos and Melina Acevedo, both members of Latinxs in Sustainability, to find out more and learn about their journeys working in clean [00:03:00] energy.
I hope you enjoy the conversation.
Carolina Ramos: I'm Carolina Ramos. I'm from New Jersey. I grew up in Hudson County, a very like densely populated area just outside of New York City. I've been with Latinx in Sustainability for almost three years.
Melina Acevedo: So my name is Melina Acevedo. I'm from Peru, but I've been in the Bay Area and more recently, um, New York since I was seven, um, based in Brooklyn.
Just moved here seven months ago, so it's still pretty new. Um, and I've been involved with Latinxs in Sustainability since August of last year, helping with partnerships. and focusing on funds and, and corporate sponsors this year.
Carolina Ramos: I didn't know that I could be an environmental steward or follow a path of sustainability, uh, especially living in an urban area.
My mother, however, always taught me to be respectful of the environment, our surroundings, wildlife, our resources. And so when I went to [00:04:00] college, I wanted to continue that. In college, I quickly realized that People in my major in environmental studies, we're not from urban areas. And we definitely, we did not have the same lived experience.
So. After, you know, that experience and, you know, I decided that I wanted to come back and give back to my community in the area. I have been in this space for, I would say, about 10 years now. I started off with the City of Jersey City. I worked in the Office of Sustainability. And now I'm working for Energy Consultancy, doing work related to energy efficiency.
And working in local government was a really eye opening experience for me. I was able to give back to the community that I grew up and really learn about the importance of community engagement and active participation and really listening to the needs of those communities that have historically not really been listened to.
And that really fueled my passion to [00:05:00] continue working in this space in a different way. It was hard for me to find what I wanted to do within the sustainability space. It's so, there's so many things you can do. And once I figured it out, and that was energy. I decided to, you know, make that jump and it was tough for me without guidance or a lot of mentorship to figure out what I wanted to do next.
And then going from a place where I was for about five years to looking for a brand new job was, was a little challenging, but I'm now in the space that I want to be and working in just directly in energy efficiency. Before in Jersey City, I was working, um, with a lot of. EV related projects for the city, you know, building up our EV infrastructure, which was really fun because I had no idea what I was doing, but that kind of led to me figuring out what I wanted to do and just building up that infrastructure, applying for grants, talking to the community about [00:06:00] where chargers were needed, just trying to answer questions, resolving parking issues with EV chargers in a very like densely populated area, but it was all really great information for me to learn.
And now I'm currently working in the energy efficiency space, doing work for utilities, and that has also been very eye opening for me.
Melina Acevedo: I grew up in a low income city in the Bay Area, really close to an oil refinery. And I was raised by like a single mom, uh, in a low income household. I remember we had a lot of spare the air and just sometimes like we just would have to stay inside.
Kiana Michaan: Spare the air is an air quality alert system in the Bay area issued on days with poor air quality and high particulate matter levels that can be unhealthy or harmful for young children. Those with pre-existing respiratory conditions and other at-risk groups. On days when spare, the air alerts are issued. Residents are advised to limit time spent outdoors and take necessary health precautions.
Melina Acevedo: And I just remember as a [00:07:00] kid, not really fully understanding like what was happening, why myself in particular and like my family in particular. We're so affected by this. So I feel like it's always been like a question that I had wondered about as a kid, just like literally living it.
And it wasn't until I was much older that I feel like I really learned the language for what, like being a frontline community, environmental racism, all of that. And it wasn't until like I got to college. Um, so I'm the first one in my family to go to college. I went to Princeton and I studied chemistry and material science and engineering, and I was still really into like.
Sustainability dove more into clean energy, the engineering side of things. I did a lot of energy research and was like just super involved on campus. And by the time I left, um, like I knew what I wanted to do out of college. I knew I wanted to work at a solar developer and some sort of entry level analyst job.
And it wasn't until like 2018 that I started working actually in residential solar, solar [00:08:00] mosaic. And that was kind of like a stepping stone to get to where I'm at. After that, I worked at Nextracker for three years. So they're a manufacturer of rocking systems mostly used in utility scale solar projects.
And even at the time, I knew like that wasn't what I wanted to do. Like I wanted to work in development. Basically, I spent three years there. It was a great learning experience. And then from there, I finally was able to land the job that I have now. I am an object development manager at D. E. Shaw Renewable Investments.
So I work in utility scale, solar project development, and I've had a pretty, um, nonlinear journey into clean energy over the last four years, which I can talk to, but I think definitely influenced by like my identity as first gen and immigrant, um, growing up low income. So it's been a huge learning curve coming into the space and it definitely took a lot of support systems to get to where I am today.
I think just not having like the resources. That other [00:09:00] people have, um, so a lot of like mentors and fellowships like the CLI fellowship that we all did to get to where I am today.
Kiana Michaan: So Melina mentioned the Clean Energy Leadership Institute Fellowship, which is actually where we all met. As you heard, both Melina and Carolina spoke about how they didn't feel like they had a lot of support when they were first getting into their work.
Mentorship can be an important tool for career advancement. Studies show that women and minorities value and benefit more from professional mentorship programs. I appreciated what you shared about in your childhood experiencing some of those energy injustices and seeing how energy systems work.
impacting your life and maybe not having the understanding and language at the time to like fully describe that and then how full circle that comes as you're then on your path, seeing how you can make impact in this space. We all we all feel the the impacts of the energy system in different ways. And it brings us to this work.
So I think you both touched on what [00:10:00] inspired you to work in sustainability and energy, and why this work continues to be meaningful to you both. Why is energy justice important in this work?
Carolina Ramos: You know, I have asthma. My mom has asthma. Growing up, I didn't understand that this was affecting other people in my community and that it's so common.
Kiana Michaan: In the U. S., pollution inequality means that Black and Latinx people are statistically more likely to live in areas and neighborhoods with unhealthy air pollution. A 2019 study showed that Latinx folks experience a pollution burden that is 63 percent greater exposure to harmful pollutants and particulate matter compared to the emissions that they cause.
Carolina Ramos: It wasn't until college that I also learned how there are social, economic, and health burdens on communities like mine and that are On the front line of air pollution and climate change, and that really fuels my passion to come back and work with within [00:11:00] within my community, but also enter a space that I had no idea what I was doing what I was getting myself into and didn't have that that network.
Melina mentioned I also did the sea lie fellowship and. During that fellowship, I realized how important, you know, that really solidified it for me that that was the space that I wanted to be in.
Melina Acevedo: For me, it's pretty similar to what Carolina said, just my lived experience as a kid, but knowing something was wrong.
My, my mom also had health issues. And I remember like, Having friends that also had asthma and would struggle. And I think, yeah, I just had that like awareness as a kid, but not really. I didn't fully understand it or, or the language as well for like what I was experiencing until I was much older. And I think even in college, I feel like sustainability and high school, like in my mind, it's always been like a, just like a very like white sort of thing.
And that's like sadly what I [00:12:00] still like saw in college. I feel like most of the students that I saw that were in those fields for like for their majors were like not very, it wasn't very diverse. Like I didn't see people like myself represented there. It drives a lot of the work that I do. Just thinking about the policy solutions that drive like all of my work.
Like I want to make sure that people like my mom and the childhood friends that I grew up with that are still in those communities, right? Like still living with the burdens of. Of all of that in my industry, working in solar, I mean, I feel like we've made improvements, but it's still like the barriers to entry can be high.
If you're from, you know, marginalized identity, um, I don't see like myself represented a lot or people that identify with my identity at my level, particularly at the higher levels. And like, I know there's not much I can do to change the past, but I feel like we have, there's a lot of important work we can do, including with Latinx sustainability to shape the future and make sure [00:13:00] it's more accessible and inclusive to everyone.
Kiana Michaan: Speaking of leadership, I reached out to the founder of Latinx and sustainability, Christina Garcia, to expand on the importance of representation and why she started this organization. Here's what she had to say.
Cristina Garcia: I'm Cristina Garcia. I wanted to talk about some of the challenges that led to me creating Latinxs in Sustainability in 2017.
When I joined the sustainability industry, I saw that there was a lack of Latinx representation in the rooms that I was in, you know, the meetings I was attending, the, organizations I was interacting with, so I really wanted to network and connect with the few Latinx people that were in these rooms and build community amongst the few of us.
I personally faced a lot of challenges getting into the sustainability industry. I had graduated with a master's of environmental engineering, yet I couldn't get a job in this field and I ended up spending a few years working in construction, but it wasn't [00:14:00] what I wanted. It wasn't climate change related, or...
So it was, you know, I was really disappointed when I couldn't get my foot in the door, and it wasn't for a mentor of mine who, uh, who was my thesis mentor. If it wasn't for him connecting me... To folks directly in the industry that eventually led to a few interviews. I don't know that I would have gotten my foot in the door at that time.
It might have taken me longer or might have led to a different path and you know, I'm really grateful for that person helping me. But I realize that that's not a sustainable solution, because not everyone is going to have someone to help connect them. You know, and people that are those connectors can't do that for everyone.
And I also understand, you know, being connected to someone that's well connected is a privilege in itself that a lot of Latinx people and people of color don't have. So we really need to be intentional about, you know, what are the [00:15:00] barriers that are getting in the way of us entering this field, what continues to keep kind of Latinx representation so low, and, and figure out how to challenge that and how to advocate for changes.
And, you know, besides the fact that I think that we want to see equal levels of representation. of Latinx people across all industry as we see them represented in our population, for instance, in New York City. I think that there is a really critical component within the environmental movement because we know that communities of color have been disproportionately impacted and see the inequities that come with environmental hazards and issues, and that can be worse air pollution, which can lead to increased rates of asthma, which we know Harlem, for instance, had like the highest rate of asthma or childhood asthma for a long time.
But we see a lot of these same communities dealing with energy burden, rent burden, and a lot of [00:16:00] other inequities associated with, with a lack of environmental justice. And so when they are not represented in the rooms and in the organizations that are helping create solutions and making decisions about environmental justice and how to address these inequities, then I think that it's a real disservice.
Like we need people that are living. these experiences to be in the rooms that are designing solutions to those experiences. And so we were, again, we need to be really intentional about understanding how do we get people in these rooms. A lot of people don't know what they don't know. So, you know, part of Latinx and sustainability is to elevate those stories, but also really help advocate and understand how we get Our people into these rooms and specifically people that have these lived experiences into the rooms that are helping design solutions for these inequities.
Carolina Ramos: With Latinxs in Sustainability, our primary goal is [00:17:00] really to break down those systemic obstacles that have really limited Latinx representation within. The environmental movement. And so we aim to provide resources and promote awareness and offer opportunities to help empower Latinx climate leaders and future climate leaders to flourish in this space, both personally and professionally.
Kiana Michaan: If you are interested in connecting and being involved with LIS's work or another similar community for sustainability professionals, see the episode notes for more resources on how to get plugged in. Tying back to. The broader mission of what Latinx and sustainability is doing. Can you talk about what the barriers, the systemic barriers are that Latinx communities are facing in the U. S. in terms of energy burden, environmental outcomes, and professional opportunities to work in sustainability and energy?
Carolina Ramos: I think, you know, a few barriers off the top of my head, definitely [00:18:00] there around, you know, mentorship growing up, I, I didn't know that there were different, you know, careers, like you mentioned earlier in this space that there are so many different types of careers and pathways that you can take.
And in my opinion, everyone can be involved in, you know, like a just transition and the clean energy transition. And. People are not really aware of that, and I did realize that when I was looking for my current position, I was hired through this clean energy job program through PSE&G in New Jersey, and it is aimed at bringing more representation to the clean energy field, and I'm really grateful for that opportunity, and I was asked after I got hired to come back and, you know, speak to other folks in New Jersey that were interested in the program about opportunities in clean energy space.
Uh, so just bringing light to those different careers and different types of careers and. opportunities for folks is something that I think [00:19:00] Latinxs in Sustainability definitely is trying to address.
Melina Acevedo: On a more like professional level, I definitely agree with what Carolina said about the importance of knowing that this is an accessible path, right?
If you're a student and you see you're someone like yourself represented in these jobs, that seems like a more like tangible pathway. It really sometimes just takes finding those resources and then like Finding a mentor to really like walk you through everything.
Kiana Michaan: Because when you have a mentor who hasn't experienced those same challenges, it's just not the same, which is one of the reasons why we need more representation and leadership.
I would love to chat a little bit more specifically about some of the programming you're offering through Latinxs in Sustainability. Can you just speak to some of the programs that you offer to facilitate this diverse workforce development?
Carolina Ramos: Yeah, so, um, I'll speak to our professional development stipend program.
And so, that, that started, I believe, that was in 20... 22. So last year, [00:20:00] and it was a program that we ran giving out a stipend to applicants. So we advertised it on our social media, um, on LinkedIn, Instagram, put out a newsletter as an opportunity for people who wanted to pursue some professional development opportunities.
So whether that looked like a certificate, whether that was paying for a fee to take like a test to earn a certificate or a license or a course. Uh, we wanted to try to cover a part of that and I believe in, in total, we gave out about, I think it was 2, 000 in funds and that was really impactful because we, we also asked applicants to later provide a blog, a bit of a blurb with their experience, you know, what they use the funds for and what helped them achieve.
And so just hearing from. different people throughout the country that applied for it. It was really very encouraging to see that we were making an impact, even though, you know, we [00:21:00] gave out a limited amount of funds, we were really happy to see that there was an interest in that. And that really helped our community pursue different certs, licenses, and just.
Expand their knowledge in this space. The mentorship program also started in 2022, and we had a cohort, uh, where we paired 15 mentors with mentees. And, uh, during that cohort there was opportunities for mentors and mentees to share their professional experiences, their lived experiences, and, and ask related questions.
Um, Melina, I'm not sure if I left anything out, but feel free to chime in.
Melina Acevedo: I think what you were saying about. Just having someone that has the share, the same lived experience and just like the impact that that can have on someone who's earlier in their career is just figuring out like how to enter the space when they're paired with a mentor that has actually like been in their shoes and can speak from experience or, you know, if not firsthand experience, like just they're like, they have an awareness of the like social [00:22:00] cultural factors that are beyond the surface level.
Kiana Michaan: Absolutely. And also having someone to believe in you and just bounce ideas off of, ask for advice, very, yeah. Excited to hear about this other, other program you were going to mention.
Melina Acevedo: Yeah, so this is our most recent initiative. So it's a workforce development program with the City College of New York, specifically the Grove School of Engineering.
So it's co led by myself and Cristina and then another one, actually another one of our members, Francisco Arias. In partnership with two of the city college engineering, the professors. So it's, it's like this coalition. Um, and it came at first through an idea of like, just, we wanted to. Yeah. Cristina herself, I feel like, like went to the same school.
She's an alum of the school and just like reflecting on how little representation she sees of like these students at this great, like engineering program, sustainability master's program, and just how like she wears them more of them. We're employed in New York [00:23:00] City, sustainability, clean energy jobs. So it's going to take the form of an accredited course for the fall of 2023.
Um, the students are all engineering students at the growth school of engineering within the sustainability program. And basically this is our way of helping connect those students to sustainability. And clean energy jobs in the city or in the greater New York area. How do you actually like get them to those jobs?
So I'm connecting them to the employers, including one of our partners right now is RMI, working with them to get them involved, the students and other additional. Employers throughout New York, but I think one thing that's really cool about it is like everyone that's leading it even like the professors They're also the first ones in their family to go to college So it's really cool that like everyone literally everyone who's involved has experienced That's like has lived this and especially like the professors right like to get to where they're at have gone through like such a journey.
So that's one thing that I think is really cool about it is that like on some level like everyone can relate to the struggles that these students are [00:24:00] having because they've lived it.
Kiana Michaan: Latinxs in Sustainability has reached more than 2, 500 people through its programs and hosted more than 50 panels. The organization is continuing to expand its programs, inclusive mentorship, professional development stipends, and the City College of New York's Sustainability Level Up program to reach more students and young professionals.
I would love to know if there has been a moment where like you've personally really felt the impact you're having, whether it's just like a conversation you've had with a member in your community, or just a moment within your work where you're really feeling that, like, wow. I think those moments are just generally you. Really motivating and wonderful.
Carolina Ramos: Yeah, so I think just the people that I've met through my work and specifically in LIS have really made an impact on me. And I've had a couple of people who were in my shoes a few years ago approach me to learn about [00:25:00] not just LIS, but also about the sustainability field in general.
And it was a, it's a very, it's a great feeling to become that source of information for someone, especially when I was in their place and I was looking for that, you know, not too long ago. And I just always, you know, get very excited and make sure to make the time to be intentional about the conversations we're having, the resources that I can provide, and just knowledge sharing in general.
I recently met up with someone who is in the finance world and she was explaining A lot of things that she felt like she was, she wanted to do more. She wanted to be a part of the space, but didn't know where to start. She also didn't have the resources to learn about the industry and being able to guide her and just give her some pointers and tell her that come out, check out some of our events, meet other people.
You, you never know. [00:26:00] You can meet people in the sustainability and finance space. And she was just really excited to find that. Space and that sense of community. And so that those kinds of interactions make me feel like we are making a difference. And, and I really hope to just be like a source of information and a mentor for someone, or, you know, just anyone who wants to reach out to me to talk about different pathways that they can pursue in sustainability.
And that makes me happy just to be able to empower more people.
Melina Acevedo: Yeah, I've definitely had those moments as well. Like definitely one of the most memorable moments that I can think of was with Young Professionals in Energy, SF Bay Area. So I was a board member, VP community, and I created and ran a scholarship program.
And it was really meant to help kind of students like myself who come from marginalized communities. backgrounds have, you know, don't have the resources and were able to award scholarships of 2, [00:27:00] 500 each. And both of the awardees were actually the first ones in their family to go to college. And I remember like just hopping on calls with them and learning really like learning about them and just like, like the gratitude that they felt.
And just knowing like the money was actually like going to make a huge impact to them. Like, I just had this feeling like, wow, I would have loved to have this as a student. So it's just been really exciting to see where it goes, but that's definitely like one of the moments that has been the most memorable.
Kiana Michaan: It's great to hear about these programs starting from the ground up, providing opportunities, support, and resources to passionate sustainability students and recent grads, and wonderful how meaningful it felt for them both to give back to their communities. I asked Melina sustainability's work moving forward.
And how are they envisioning a more accessible and diverse clean energy industry?
Carolina Ramos: So, for me, I, I would really like to continue providing that platform for people in this space to talk about their lived experience. [00:28:00] Their experience in college, you know, navigating different careers and continue to give that space for people to talk.
So whether that look like a panel or some kind of forum, our newsletter, just having continue to provide that platform to talk about the hurdles, the barriers, challenges that we've all faced and continue to face and. I guess my hope over time would be that in a, in a perfect world that we would hear less of those hurdles, barriers, and challenges.
But I think just bringing more knowledge and, and uh, shedding more light to those barriers is really important. And that's what I hope we'll continue doing.
Melina Acevedo: I think for me, how I envision LIS is similar to what Carolina said is like being a platform that connects other professionals, students, leaders like ourselves together.
And then also beyond that, just like being able to amplify our members and their work. Amplify their stories, their accomplishments, also being like a safe space for like some difficult conversations that you [00:29:00] sometimes need to have when you're like a lot of next person in this country. That's where I see ourselves.
I think I'd love to, so I'm also leading partnerships. We're trying to raise more corporate sponsors, raise funds to like really be able, for example, to give more professional developments, dive ends, like actually. Be able to give back to more of our member base as we continue to grow it. Um, so that's what I would love to see as well.
I'm really excited for this workforce development program with city college. And I think like more broadly, yeah, I guess I would just like, love to see like more people like myself represented, particularly at the higher levels. But like, I'd love to just be in that position in a few years, but also just like see more people from other industries, from other non traditional like demographics be involved in the space beyond just like Latinx.
But yeah, I'm hopeful with the work that we're doing that I think we're contributing to, to that work.
Kiana Michaan: There really is a place for everyone in this work. So, I hope that all [00:30:00] of those who are interested can find their way to connect,
which leads me to the last question about what advice you would have to share with anyone who is listening, is Latinx, and is thinking about, how can I get into energy and sustainability?
Or perhaps is starting out facing some of those challenges, what advice would you give?
Carolina Ramos: So I would say, reach out to us, reach out to Latinx in Sustainability, get in touch with us. But beyond that, one thing that I found was helpful when I was looking to make that transition was just Find the other folks that were in positions that I wanted to be in and, you know, try to reach out to them, ask for an informational interview, just get in touch.
I find that people are always very happy to help out, especially, you know, I've done it myself and people have reached out to me as well and have come from a place where they've They want to know, you know, what can I do? How can I learn more? So just reach out to folks, [00:31:00] you know, you'd be surprised that people are really willing to help out, um, give you the time and share resources and experiences with you and, and just, um, be a lending ear.
Melina Acevedo: Exactly.
It's just like, I think being like kind and gracious with yourself and, um, just like thinking about, yeah, how can you cultivate those relationships, build those connections, like kind of gain the knowledge that like you just don't have. If that's kind of the situation you're in.
Kiana Michaan: Absolutely. Thank you both so much.
I really appreciate you both sharing your experience and knowledge and the work you're doing. I encourage those listening to get involved, follow the work of Latinxs in Sustainability, attend an event if it's, if there are events in person in your area. And, yes, very grateful for both of your time today. Thank you.
Melina Acevedo: Thank you.
Carolina Ramos: Thank you.
Kiana Michaan: Thank you again to our guests for speaking with me, and to all of you for being here with us today. Beautiful to hear the joy that giving back to one's communities and working to pave [00:32:00] the way for others can bring. As always, if you're excited to continue the conversation about representation, sustainability, joy, and climate justice, connect with at climate with Kiana to share your thoughts and what topics you would like to hear about next.
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